Note: this one has Jungian Psychology. The Board of Directors Here at Spo-Reflections loathes this sort of entry. This is a puzzlement as they are archetypes themselves, so why the fuss? I suppose they are mad-jealous. The Greek gods are, on the whole, are more interesting than thems in Asgard, and they regularly wash. Spo.
I’ve been thinking lately on Hades, Lord of the underworld in the Greek Pantheon. I am not sure why he’s coming front on stage in my consciousness but thems trained in Jungian psychology go with whose around and see what they are trying to say here.
People put a lot of glory to Gaia, or The Earth Goddess, or The Great Mother – whatever name floats your boat – but underneath the fertile feminine, deep down at the base of things, is the masculine Lord of the Underworld. She rules the subconscious but he rules the unconscious, and carries Shadow energy more often than she does.
Hades gets a lot of bad press. Modern folks, who see gods as either all good or all bad, tend to dress Hades up as the Greek version of Satan, full of malice and diabolical machinations, which he is not. He did his job which is running the underworld – where all go, good or bad. He did this with dignity and he wasn’t one to run around doing shenanigans like his younger brothers, Zeus and Poseidon.* There is that myth of him abducting Persephone for a wife, but the actual tale shows a) this was arranged by Zeus (the real villain of the piece) and b) he was a faithful spouse who loved his wife with whom he ran the underworld in partnership. Not bad that – and for a Greek god !
I find Mr. Hades’ attributes attractive. He takes his lot and makes what he can from it. He holds his role with dignity and he does it without fuss and drama. He allows others like Gaia/Demeter to take the glory and adoration while he takes satisfaction with a job well done. He doesn’t need direct worship, but keeps people on their toes that regardless what you do in life, he is yours in the end, so do the right thing and make your life and each day count.
Finally he has a cool pet, the three-headed dog Cerberus, the name can be interpreted as ‘spotted animal” so his dog is literally named “Spot”. The guy has a wry sense of humor to boot.
*As the oldest child of Chronos and Rhea, by birthright he should have been in charge, but he and his two brothers drew lots for the ruler of the sky, the sea, and the earth – and he came in third. Rather than throwing a hissy fit he took his fate fair and square.
34 comments
August 11, 2022 at 1:42 AM
DwightW.
Cerberus must be a great dog. Admirable traits that Hades has.
August 11, 2022 at 6:50 AM
Urspo
Every generation gets the gods it deserves. We don’t know really how the Greeks felt about him. He could have been their he-who-must-not-be-named.
August 11, 2022 at 4:05 AM
Jennifer Barlow
Have you, by chance, been watching Neil Gaiman’s Sandman which just arrived on Netflix? I kept thinking of you and the archetypes and wondering if you were watching it! Lots of fun.
Lord Morpheus, the king of Dreams, has siblings: Death, Desire, Despair. Gwendoline Christie is Lucifer, Stephen Fry is Fiddler’s Green (a place that decides to take human form for awhile) and Patton Oswalt is the voice of a raven named Matthew.
August 11, 2022 at 6:51 AM
Urspo
I have long wanted to read the ‘Sandman’ series, so I am avoiding the Netflix version until I do so. Mr. G does a splendid job with the gods.
August 11, 2022 at 4:11 AM
David Godfrey
My eyes glazed over
August 11, 2022 at 6:52 AM
Urspo
That’s what The Board of Directors Here at Spo-reflections said! I told them not to be worrying; I promised to write something lurid anon.
August 11, 2022 at 4:46 AM
Debra She Who Seeks
Toiling away in a thankless job with a wife who needs to take a six-month vacation from him every year. Hades seems curiously modern.
August 11, 2022 at 6:33 AM
wickedhamster
Love it!
August 11, 2022 at 6:54 AM
Urspo
I wonder which greek good (or someone like them) you resonate with?
August 11, 2022 at 10:30 PM
Richard Portman
I like Hermes. Zeus coerced Artemis and behold they had this bastard orphan child. Hera would not stand for this.
So they left him in some steep rocky canyon for the wolves to eat. There were wolves in Greece back in those days.
Pan found him while he was tending his mountains . Pan lives in the mountains. He took the baby home, but he soon realized that he couldn’t do this without help.
No way could he tell Zeus or Hera. He couldn’t ask Artemis, she might shoot him with an arrow or sic the dogs on him.
He decided to ask his nephew Apollo for help. Apollo was reluctant, but Pan said look at his feet! They have wing buds! He is a brilliant child! We must help him!
So anyway that’s how that happened.
August 11, 2022 at 6:53 AM
Urspo
Persephone is a fascinating person in herself and who she is. Overly Sarcastic Production on The Tube of Yous does a splendid job analyinzg her.
August 11, 2022 at 10:47 AM
Debra She Who Seeks
I resonate most closely with Athena and Artemis. There’s a couple of fab books by the Jungian Jean Shinoda Bolen which use the Greek pantheon to analyze those archetypes in our own lives — “Goddesses in Everywoman” (2009) and “Gods in Everyman” (2014). Kindle versions are still available of both, I believe. And while I’m recommending her books, another wonderful one she wrote which I love and which might be right up your alley is “Ring of Power: Symbols and Themes — Love vs Power in Wagner’s Ring Cycle and in Us” (2011).
August 11, 2022 at 4:56 AM
Sam
I feel like Broadway should make this story into a show, like Wicked, the true story of Hades.
August 11, 2022 at 6:54 AM
Urspo
LOL
I downloaded “Hadestown” some time ago and have yet to hear it.
August 11, 2022 at 5:13 AM
Linda Practical Parsimony
Today, Tommy and I were discussing Hades, the place, and Paradise in relation to Heaven and Hell. How amazing that this post is about Hades, the “person.”
August 11, 2022 at 6:55 AM
Urspo
Mind that Hades is not Hell per se. The former was for all the dead; the latter is for the wicked only.
August 11, 2022 at 10:23 AM
Linda Practical Parsimony
That was the whole discussion, that Hades is just the abode of the dead, not Hell. He did not agree.
August 11, 2022 at 6:54 AM
Glenda
I’ve read that your guy, Dr. Jung, started discovering his “personal myths” when he was in his 80’s. Maybe you are starting yours earlier.
August 11, 2022 at 6:56 AM
Urspo
Carl G spent a lifelong Journey trying to figure himself and others out, and good for him for trying to. He had great faults, and for that he has fallen out of favor in time, but his basic ideas still have validity. And its jolly good fun.
August 11, 2022 at 7:59 AM
Robzilla
This would make a great Lifetime movie, if they’re interested in doing something like that. I know for sure the Hallmark Channels will take a pass unless it stars Dean Cain.
August 11, 2022 at 8:14 AM
Urspo
Not familiar with Mr. Cain, I had a look-see on line. He seems a pleasant fellow but probably not quite ‘Hades’ at least how I envision him. It makes me wonder though, who would I cast for such? Maybe ‘Sting” provided he doesn’t make too many faces.
August 11, 2022 at 8:27 AM
Brian Dean Powers
I’m wondering if Jung said anything about the concept of the apocalypse? With or without a “second coming”.
August 11, 2022 at 8:39 AM
Urspo
I don’t know this.
He had a lot to say about UFOs and flying saucers, but only that they were symbolic of unconscious messages from the collective. Whether they were real or not wasn’t of interest to him.
If he wrote about doom, it would be similar I suppose.
August 11, 2022 at 10:40 AM
Mistress Borghese
I love Greek mythology…and that your posting a piece…I love it. One of my favorite myths is that of Hades and Persephone..and that of which explains why we have the change of seasons.
Im also found of Artemis.
August 11, 2022 at 12:18 PM
Urspo
Have you seen “Red” in her “Overly Sarcastic Productions” takes on the Greek myths? Please check them out on You Tube. She is brilliant.
August 11, 2022 at 2:01 PM
Old Lurker
Perhaps TBDHSR dislike the Jungian entries because they are not fans of Jordan Peterson? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo (Fun fact: until I listened to this video I had not made the connection that you and he were members of the same psychiatric tribe.)
I was going to make some comment about Hades suffering from Eldest Child syndrome (what a burden it must be to be Brother #1) but it appears the eldest child was the oft-ignored Hestia.
I plead guilty to thinking the underworld was more-or-less Hell. If Hades was a good manager then maybe it was/is not so bad?
August 11, 2022 at 2:19 PM
Urspo
I stand corrected that Hades was the eldest boy in the sibship; I am not clear if he was the eldest of all.
August 11, 2022 at 8:00 PM
Will Jay
Cerberus must have been quite a fit at feeding time – gobbling his food and watching the other door heads to see that they didn’t get more or seeing if they could catch a few more bites from a slow eater. I assume that with a three headed dog, one procures bags in bulk.
August 12, 2022 at 1:12 PM
Urspo
The feeding of such creatures is a lot like how does Santa manage to get to all those houses in one night. Best not to think about it too much.
August 11, 2022 at 8:02 PM
Will Jay
Other dog heads…
August 11, 2022 at 9:48 PM
Richard Portman
I prefer not to think about Hades. I am not sure if it is a god, or a place. Let us say that it is a god.
If it is a god, i am reluctant to engage until the time comes. I hope that Hades is not a greedy mother fucker who delights in feeding us to that horrible three headed dog of his. Where did he get that dog anyway?
August 12, 2022 at 1:14 PM
Urspo
I don’t know for sure. Most of the ‘monsters’ were the children of a certain Titans who spawned all sorts of creatures. I should look it up.
I think Spot had the dog not to keep the souls in but keep the living out?
August 12, 2022 at 4:14 AM
Moving with Mitchell
I had a friend at university whose last name was Haydes.
August 12, 2022 at 1:14 PM
Urspo
Groovy !