Note: this one came to mind as I was daydreaming driving to work, going 60mph in far right lane in a 65mph zone, being passed by everyone. Spo
“They drive like an old woman” is an expression I heard Father say when I was a boy. It was said while driving, about certain drivers who were not old women per se but were allegedly driving like one. He never criticized any one for ‘driving like an old man’ – possibly because there weren’t any old man drivers around, having all dropped before they got to the age to be considered ‘elderly drivers”. I can’t exactly remember what he meant by this careful comment. How does one drive ‘like an old woman”? It wasn’t about driving recklessly. It was about driving cautiously viz. a slow careful driver going no more than the speed limit or perhaps just under it. They also made slow stops and at the stop signs a few second pauses to look all ways at least twice before slowly pulling into the intersection. They were seldom on the freeway but when they were they were always in the far right lane, driving carefully while the rest of traffic whizzed by them as if they were standing still.
“Driving like an old woman” I am certain was not a compliment. Father was not an aggressive driver but compared to thems ‘driving like an old woman’ he was a demon on wheels. He got impatient but never angry or verbally abusive. I think the critique was on the notion driving slow or too careful was more problematic and/or dangerous than someone driving ‘like that rest of us’. I remember as a boy thinking ‘driving like an old woman’ made good sense to avoid accidents. After all didn’t they emphasize in driver’s education to make full stops and not go over the speed limit, so what’s wrong with that? I was never an aggressive driver.
I bring up this disparaging label from the 60s as today while driving to work I realized I drive like an old woman. I am that person in the right far lane going the speed limit as everyone in the world is whizzing past me. Often people going 15-20mph over the speed limit zoom up behind me, flash their lights, and angrily drive around me/pass me and continue going in the far right lane at 80mph (in a 65mph speed zone). People in Phoenix drive like demons on wheels and I want no part of it. Driving a tad slower is not only safer, but it saves on gas. I often wonder how much thems in Range Rovers pay for petrol in these 90mph-going gas guzzlers.
I can’t vouch for the little old lady drivers (or folks like them) of yesteryear their motives for driving as they did, but I know mine. I am not a ‘scared’ driver, nor do I drive careful due to losing my wits (yet) . I just don’t give a toot about getting there as fast as possible or showing another up in traffic/damned if I am going to let YOU in. Let the world whiz by me. Often the Jehus will storm past me and when I arrive at the red light later there they are waiting now with me. I sometimes wave a hello which is seldom appreciated.
“Driving like an old woman” isn’t a nice label, although the names Someone gives such drivers are far less charitable. We can call folks like myself “driving like a Spo’: folks not too focused, not too fast, but not a problem other than you have to swerve around us types if you insist on going 25mph over the speed limit in the far right lane and see if I care. See you at the red light.
Do you drive like an old woman? Do you drive like a demon on wheels?
64 comments
March 24, 2023 at 7:23 AM
Glenda
I drive the speed limit and others get right on my bumper before the whiz around me. I think its a type of aggression and is the milder form of road rage.
March 24, 2023 at 7:31 AM
Urspo
Aye, I know this well. I was amazed and appalled to see such shenanigans when I moved to Arizona. I actually feel bad for the silly sods having a rage over nothing. It can’t be good on their blood pressure, or for their loved ones.
March 24, 2023 at 7:47 AM
rjjs8878
I drive a German car like it was engineered to be driven. Call me a demon. Range Rover owners don’t care about the cost of gas. Range Rovers are fun to drive, handle well and are very comfortable.
March 24, 2023 at 8:38 AM
Urspo
Like your men.
March 24, 2023 at 7:59 AM
Steven
“See you at the red light” speaks volumes as that is what we always say to the drivers weaving in and out of the lanes just to get around us. If I am brave enough, I’ll even give a small salute or wave to that driver when I pull up next to him (or her). Women can be just as bad sometimes. I can say that I do not drive with one foot on the gas and the other one on the brake. 🙂
March 24, 2023 at 8:39 AM
Urspo
Here in AZ it is egalitarian all folks size/shape/age/sex drive like demons. Oh the horror.
March 24, 2023 at 8:00 AM
Sluggy
Being an old woman, I drive safely and about 5 mph over the limit. Those with delicate ears may want to avoid being in a car with me as my vocabulary is quite risque at the @%$&#$# demon drivers around me here in Louisiana. I will cuss them out in French and English. hehehe
March 24, 2023 at 8:39 AM
Urspo
Good for you for knowing French and English! Well done!
March 24, 2023 at 8:02 AM
Old Lurker
Mind! Some old women drive like demons on wheels, too.
As I don’t have a driver’s license, I do not drive like an old woman. I probably bike like an old woman most of the time, but that is because I am flat and slow. Sometimes I will try to run yellow lights, which ain’t good.
It is easy to drive like an old woman if you are always early to work. Some of us tend to run late, which invokes demonic tendencies, especially when the first patient of the day is waiting.
March 24, 2023 at 8:03 AM
Old Lurker
fat and slow. If only I was flat…
March 24, 2023 at 8:59 AM
Urspo
I live in an area with a lot of elderly people; giving up their driving abilities is as hard as a GOP surrendering their guns. As a consequence there are a lot of old folks on the road, many of them well under four feet and ought not to be driving anymore. They go cautiously but sometimes not well. between these types and the demons driving in PHX is a challenge.
March 24, 2023 at 9:33 AM
Old Lurker
Given how sprawly Phoenix is this does not surprise me. Losing one’s license sounds like a prison sentence. Imagine having to rely upon public transit to get to Kobalt? (Having said this, I suppose kids these days rely upon Ubers. That sounds as if it gets expensive too.)
March 24, 2023 at 5:02 PM
Urspo
Yes, there is not much ‘good’ public transport, and in summer going out of doors is hazardous on the oldsters. They aren’t ones to use Uber either. They hold onto their cars for dear life and I don’t blame them.
March 24, 2023 at 8:41 AM
Debra She Who Seeks
This will be my new descriptor now, thanks — “driving like a Spo.” All those speed demon assholes can honk and pass and flip me the bird all they want. Like I care, LOL!
March 24, 2023 at 9:17 AM
Urspo
There are no demon drivers in Canada – except in certain parts of Ontario (that bad parts)
March 24, 2023 at 8:44 AM
Bob
I generally drive slightly above the speed limit. But I have been known to drive like a bat outta hell!
March 24, 2023 at 9:17 AM
Urspo
ho ho ho
I see your ilk all the time – demons, the lot of you!
March 24, 2023 at 8:54 AM
Robzilla
Oh, that happens in San Diego when you do the same at 70 mph. That’s what happened when I had my old hatchback.
Now that I have turbocharged Akeno, I have to be mindful not to drive faster than 75. She’s a racy girl.
March 24, 2023 at 9:18 AM
Urspo
Patience above! I remember the few times I drove in San Diego I thought this is almost as bad as Boston!
March 24, 2023 at 9:23 AM
Linda Practical Parsimony
One of the things I really, really liked about Tommy when I met him was that he drove like an old man, nice and slow. Driving like an old woman really implies that being old and a woman are two very undesirable conditions. One of the good things about coloring my hair is that no one will look at my white hair and insult me.
However, I will not let anyone sneak in front of me if I can help it. I am not an aggressive driver or an angry one. I doubt I have ever called anyone a name. That is just not me.
I am an old lady and if I am slow, that’s great, just not dangerous, so far.
The thing I really get angry about is the stupid speed demon who passes us on the right, driving on the shoulder almost hitting us to get in front of us on the interstate
March 24, 2023 at 9:54 AM
Urspo
I concur. I now use the term “slow and cautious driver’.
It sounds like there are demons in AL too – I suppose they are everywhere.
March 24, 2023 at 9:48 AM
larrymuffin
And interesting post, unfortunately I cannot comment on it because I never drive under 140, so I would really not notice anybody going 65 or 50 they would be a blur.
March 24, 2023 at 9:54 AM
Urspo
What is the French for ‘demon driver”?
March 24, 2023 at 12:13 PM
larry
le démon de la route.
March 24, 2023 at 10:45 AM
Lori Hawkins
I drive the speed limit or a bit over but I’m not reckless. The traffic here is much better than it was in SW Florida. So much road rage there. Don’t miss that.
March 24, 2023 at 11:48 AM
Urspo
Thems who drive in FL are demons; it’s the humidity that does it I suppose.
March 24, 2023 at 11:30 AM
DwightW.
I don’t do anything like an old woman ,I drive safely, like a teenager and do everything else like a dirty old man
March 24, 2023 at 11:48 AM
Urspo
Tut, that’s a pejorative out of date term. Try ‘wicked old screw” why dontcha.
March 24, 2023 at 11:54 AM
Ron
Some people, who are otherwise very rational, turn into werewolves when they get behind the wheel of a vehicle. I’m not one of them.
I’ll bet there when I get there thank you. Glad to hear you’re not one those
Dr. Jekyll/ Me. Hyde drivers.
March 24, 2023 at 12:07 PM
Urspo
Never have and hope never will.
It is intriguing though to see folks who are overall gentle and mannerly transform behind the wheel.
March 24, 2023 at 1:02 PM
Debbie W.
I say I drive “cautiously”, while my adult son says I drive “a little too cautiously”. Fortunately he has not invoked the phrase “like an old woman”. I think he knows better than to say it that way. Like you, I am not in a blistering hurry to get anywhere, and I also allow plenty of time to get where I’m going. One thing I do not like is to feel rushed. If I ever get to Arizona, you would have company in the right lane, as that’s where I would be, going the speed limit.
March 24, 2023 at 1:51 PM
Urspo
A testimony! You are welcome in AZ.
March 24, 2023 at 2:52 PM
Robert
Clever marketers could turn this label around to something positive.
March 24, 2023 at 3:18 PM
Urspo
I would like to see them try.
March 24, 2023 at 5:55 PM
Blobby
My father, a big lover of women, still had a streak in him. Whenever behind a bad driver, he’d call them, “hon” (hun?). He just assumed it was a woman.
March 25, 2023 at 10:50 PM
Urspo
Yes it was/is assumed bad drivers are female – in contradiction to the statistics men (esp. young ones) are the worst.
March 24, 2023 at 5:59 PM
jefferyrn
I too drive like an old woman. That’s why my husband d does most of the driving.
March 25, 2023 at 10:50 PM
Urspo
Someone doesn’t like the way I drive either.
March 24, 2023 at 7:16 PM
Catrina
I live in Florida so ya know I’m an expert. We have little old women AND men get in the left (‘passing’?) lane and top out at no less than 20 miles below the speed limit. Personally I prefer getting around them so I’m a bit of a demon myself. I learned a few years back not to use ANY hand gestures, so the Mario Andretti-ish behavior has to suffice. I’m saying this as I’m knocking on wood, but I’m almost 67 years old and I’ve never had an accident or received a speeding ticket. Pray that doesn’t change.ss
March 25, 2023 at 10:50 PM
Urspo
I suppose little old men are worse drivers than the little old ladies.
March 24, 2023 at 9:02 PM
Will Jay
Just last Saturday as I was running errands from the far right lane I saw the streetracers on the freeway weaving through the traffic and thought Oh my, aren’t they in a hurry!? I recognize them because I used to drive like that. I have since learned that if one is going to speed, do it discretely in the right lane at no more than 5-10 mph greater than the posted speed limit on limited access divided highways. The road racers will continue to roar on by you and they will be easier for the Highway Patrol to pick off so that you will be able to continue to proceed uninterrupted 5- 10 mph faster than the posted speed limit.
BTW My mother was known in the family for having a bit of a “lead foot.” Not all “Little Old Ladies” are slowpokes.
March 25, 2023 at 10:51 PM
Urspo
A testimony!
March 24, 2023 at 11:12 PM
wcs
I drive more and more like an old woman as I become an old man. Go figure. And I don’t drive at night any more. Oh, those were the “carefree” and “I’ll live forever” days. No longer. I have lots of cares and I’d like to make it to 70. Years. Not MPH.
March 25, 2023 at 10:51 PM
Urspo
“I don’t drive anymore at night” I hear this a lot from my patients. It’s about vision, yes?
March 25, 2023 at 11:00 PM
wcs
Yup. The old eyes ain’t what they used to be.
March 25, 2023 at 3:31 AM
Hugh W. Roberts
I dislike driving (point-blank) because of all the demon drivers. I’d have tried my hand at the Grand Prix if I wanted to drive like a demon.
Over here in the UK, we refer to super careful drivers (old lady drivers) as ‘Sunday morning’ drivers. I think I prefer ‘Sunday morning drivers.
March 25, 2023 at 10:53 PM
Urspo
Yes, Sunday drivers is something my folks called slow drivers. I think it’s based on the times when places were closed on Sunday; if you were driving you weren’t really going anyway , not in a hurry.
March 25, 2023 at 3:31 AM
Parnassus
Once I was stuck behind an old woman driving very slowly and I was about to get impatient but I thought of my grandmother’s friend Sadie who drove her many places. Careful driving is is how many older people keep their independence.
–Jim
p.s. Are you sure your father wasn’t more verbally creative when you kids weren’t in the car? You might ask him!
March 25, 2023 at 10:54 PM
Urspo
My father was/is one never to curse or use bad words or lose temper. I don’t he was such when no one was looking.
March 25, 2023 at 4:31 AM
BadNoteB
LOML is our household’s designated Old Woman driver. He refuses to drive the freeway because of “The Yahoos” encountered there, totally satisfied to devote an hour in the Medicare Lane of surface streets for what should be a 10 minute rush-hour commute to/from work each day. He will slow to 15 mph a full city block before making a right hand turn – with turn signal proudly ablaze the entire distance to warn of the pending maneuver while oblivious to the three blocks of traffic backed up behind. Anyone to his rear at a flashing yellow left-turn arrow might as well put it in PARK until the traffic signal recycles…
Pious as hell and a true menace to the roadways, he’d gladly die in a wreck encouraged by his prim driving habits – so long as he could eternally “tsk-tsk” and finger wag at all of the scofflaws on the road from a heavenly cloud above. Sooner I’d eat Tewkesbury rats than ride anywhere with him!
All of this leaves me to be the Devil On Wheels, Yahoo and designated driver of the family. I keep an RX bottle filled with Tic-Tac (but labeled “LOML’s Heart Pills”) in the jockey box for occasions when he expresses anxiety over my driving. Will Jay’s self description expresses my philosophy of the road which seems to have served safely and citation free over the 2-1/2 million miles driven over the past half century.
March 25, 2023 at 10:54 PM
Urspo
I like the expression “Jehus” although few know the Bible reference.
March 25, 2023 at 4:53 AM
David Godfrey
I have slowed down over the years.
J’s mother, at 85 years of age, all 5 feet and 95 pounds of her – the proverbial little old lady, had to two speeds, stopped, and 90 miles per hour.
When I was Tucson on commented on the aggressive drivers, someone said, “they drive like they have a loaded gun under the seat, because most of them do.”
March 25, 2023 at 10:55 PM
Urspo
Dear me that sounds awful.
One (only one) good thing about cellphones is when drivers are on theirs they generally drive slower.
March 25, 2023 at 6:20 AM
wickedhamster
“I remember as a boy thinking ‘driving like an old woman’ made good sense to avoid accidents.” Well, that explains a lot… 😉
March 25, 2023 at 10:56 PM
Urspo
I’ve always been one to strive for good sense.
March 25, 2023 at 7:24 AM
Mike in LAS
I drive a big, very fast truck, as I am a giant, and do not fit in most vehicles, which brands me as someone who is going to drive like a bat out of hell. My commute is down a city street which has become a raceway from the suburbs to the freeway entrance and a very congested one at that. My trick? I put the cruise control on at the stated 45 MPH so as not to be pressured to go faster by what I call “jack wagons.” I often use the “C” word and many times shout at the speeder “I hope you have a disfiguring crash.” I may be evil.
March 25, 2023 at 10:56 PM
Urspo
Thems in drive in big vehicles are often the demons as they feel more powerful – maybe superior – to thems in regular-sized vehicles.
March 25, 2023 at 11:40 AM
Alicia
It’s funny because you mention your dad and how he drove like a demon on wheels. My dad once got a ticket for driving too slow! He was always one to see the splendor in everything, especially when he was working. He was a farmer and driving through the various farms he would always drive super slow to see how everyone else’s crop was doing…he once made the mistake of doing that on a regular road and not a farm road and they pulled him over. He was so angry when he got home.
March 25, 2023 at 10:57 PM
Urspo
A testimony!
That supports father’s fears (I guess) slow drivers can be hazardous in their way compared to going the speed limit.
March 25, 2023 at 11:44 PM
Richard
It would be an honor to be friends with him. Anyone who sees the splendor in everything is ok with me.
March 25, 2023 at 11:47 AM
friko
racers get there sooner (Raser kommen schneller an – showing tracks leading into an open grave) used to be an advertisement on German motorways.
I used to be a fast driver, but never recklessly or thoughtlessly. Now I drive like an old lady, mainly because I am one.
March 25, 2023 at 10:58 PM
Urspo
I am delighted to hear from you!
March 25, 2023 at 5:18 PM
Richard
I am here to stand up for the slowpokes of the world.
And if any fool has something to say
about Old Woman Drivers,
They can just hop over to our friend
SheWhoSeeks place and learn the story ” The Old Woman from Klaipeda”.
Cars are great, i love them, but they are so expensive! It doesn’t make sense for me to own one.
It is better to be a client of some person who owns one,
hopefully they make some profit from us
and as extra benefit they get to enjoy our Tortoise & Hare wisdom.
March 25, 2023 at 10:58 PM
Urspo
I wish I could remember the book whose thesis is ‘speed kills’ and if we all slowed down we wouldn’t be such nervous wrecks.